Guests: Gov. Ron DeSantis - Republican Governor of Florida who is running to be the 2024 Republican nominee for President; Sam Harris - host of the "Making Sense" podcast; Mary Katharine Ham - co-host of the "Getting Hammered" podcast and author of "End of Discussion: How The Left's Outrage Industry Shuts Down Debate, Manipulates Voters and Makes America Less Free (and Fun)."

The show’s own verdict is on its page.