Guests: An interview with Kara Swisher, award-winning podcast host, executive producer, and host of the new CNN Original Series "Kara Swisher Wants to Live Forever." This week's panel discussion includes Rahm Emanuel,former White House Chief of Staff, Chicago mayor, and U.S. Ambassador to Japan under President Biden; and Jake Sullivan, co-host of "The Long Game" podcast, professor at Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government, and former U.S. National Security Advisor under President Biden.

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