Guests: An interview with Gov. Gavin Newsom, Democratic governor of California, host of the podcast "This is Gavin Newsom," and author of "Young Man in a Hurry: A Memoir of Discovery." This week's panel discussion includes Bret Stephens, Pulitzer Prize-winner and opinion columnist at The New York Times; and Gillian Tett, provost of King's College, Cambridge and a columnist and editorial board member at Financial Times.

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